THE LAST THINGS So I did. Baptists do not believe that baptism brings salvation, but rather it is the answer of a good conscience toward God. I will cut to the chase: my Pastor and his wife took a much needed vacation a few years ago. WebBaptists reject the notion of baptism of people who do not know what is happening to them, such as children. We also teach that one must hear the Word of God, one must believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must repent of your sins, one must confess that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must be baptized for the remissions of sins, and one must live faithful until death. What your pastor told you is a severe twisting of scripture (if he even used scripture). ? Please get away from the IFB as far as you can, as fast as you can. 53. I lied just to get government support saying My child and I live alone. Thank God for grace! Yes. If you look down on people who are divorced, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 38. The pew hymnal is inspired by God While I favor hymns but I wouldnt necessarily say that because even though I do use the hymnal, most people at the church I go to now sing from the Power Point. 52. (HYPOCRISY) At its finest. as a former IFB, I read this.mmmmmm, mixing truth with deceptionI wonder the author uses, the same tactics as the serpent in the garden??? You consider it a personal failure if you are not able to find a verse within ten seconds, and secretly proud if you are able to find it right away. The New IFB's website lists its core doctrines as salvation by faith alone, once saved always saved, King James Bible-only, the Trinity, soul-winning, "hard" preaching, prewrath post-tribulation rapture, and opposition of worldliness, Calvinism, dispensationalism, liberalism, and Zionism. The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. Grow your faith in a less toxic environment. Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8 These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 4 They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden. We wanted help and we wanted to know what the Bible said. I have to admit its a lot less work than actually thinking through things. I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. Remember when Jesus rebuked the Pharisees? Again its too legalistic. 9 Their worship of me is pointless, because their teachings are rules made by humans.. Only a person who has embraced the Savior in fa Continue Reading 4 AbdulQadir Salati All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: Baptist The members were so sweet to us. You should have, instead of adding a dozen or so of your comments, said If you believe everything in the Bible, you might be an Independent Baptist. Please correct me if Im wrong, but arent we supposed to follow the teachings of the Bible, such as tithing? Wow, nice list. The IFB Insidious Fundamental Baptist Church . I cant stand when preachers pound the pulpits because its distracting and irritating for me though I am not against preachers yelling as long as they dont yell too loud. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. What is a Fundamental Independent Baptist Church Christ is the o nly head of the church (Acts 13:1-4, 15:19-31, 20:28; Romans 16:1, 4; I Corinthians 3:9,16; 5:4-7,13; I Peter 5:1-4). Praise God because us getting married and having faith we both grew. 35. I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. Would you go back and pet a dog after it bit you? They are shared in my article about tithing: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. My church members are filled with sin and give account to God alone. Which is more importantthe gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? Thanks. If you believe that clapping after special music is wrong because it gives praise to the performer rather than to God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 16. Every person is individually responsible to God and will be judged according to the beliefs and practices he or she freely chooses. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? How will you escape the judgment of hell? I can be more specific and categorize your list of 55 things to give some examples as you asked OGrodnik to do, but it wouldnt be to diminish what you and others have experienced. I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. God forgave because Jesus saved. The explosion caused property damage but no injuries or deaths. While I am not against crucifixes but using them in public worship is idolatry because the bible forbids idols. If that doesnt raise red flags for you I dont know what will. If your your church funnels in the inner city kids via a bus ministry We dont have a bus ministry since the city of the church I go to is small. You might And as the word independent implies, we are not all alike. Independent Fundamental Churches of America Suits and ties are generally not required today for men , except for ministers, though some churches do require suits and ties and I dont know any that I do of. 5. The Lord is doing His work in ths world through local churches. If people asked rather than assumed there would be a lot less reactions. N/A He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. Satan's eternal end is everlasting torment in the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:10). Also God commands us to try the spirits to see if they are of God that implies God gave us the power of discernment 1 John 4: 1-5. I had no idea that I, as an IFB, might be guilty of these things. Why would I even send a lost loved one to church instead of sharing the gospel with them for that matter? I have no position or opinion of this More insights from your Bible study - Get Started with Logos Bible Software for Free! I want to respond to your #30. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. If you think that having a disagreement with a fellow Christian means that you are sowing discord with the brethren, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 53. Independent Baptist - Wikipedia 16 Blind guides! You hurt the cause of Christ regardless your intentions and you should be ashamed of yourself, especially if you think this is the proper way to obey the two commandments the Lord Jesus said were the most important. WebIndependent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. And Pastor of Bible-Believing, Fundamental, Independent. 21. 23 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. The sacredness of human personality is evident in that God created man in His own image and is mindful of him, and in that Christ died for man; therefore every individual possesses dignity and is worthy of respect and Christian love. Im not IFB but I still believe in tithes and offerings. Many Christians believe some of these distinctives, but true Baptists believe them all. If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. 43. Me and my boyfriend were going to break up unless there was hope for change. We believe that eternal life is the present possession of every believer (John 6:37-40, 10:27-30; Romans 8:1, 38-39; I Corinthians 1:4-8; I Peter 1:4-5; Jude 1, 2). Not of works, lest any man should boast. You obviously didnt read the entire list see number 47. Jesus will save you if you believe in your heart that he was raised from the dead and admit out loud that Jesus is your lord. We believe his power is supernatural, yet limited; and that he cannot act without the permission of God (Job 1:6-12; I John 4:4). 2 Timothy 3:16-17 They have distinct responsibilities and operations. Scripture is Good! That is contrary to Bible doctrine for a pastor. I didnt condemn other version by saying Kjv is inspired. (Colossians 1:18; Matthew 18:15-20; Acts 15:22-21; 2 Corinthians 8:1-5, 19, 23), All born-again believers have the privilege of direct access to God. I have attended an IB Church my entire life (34 years). I had my part. I have no belief, opinion, or position of this Jesus does that. Thats sweet. First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friends eye. I will never forget that day that I sat in my pastors car and he prayed with me, he didnt know what was happening in my life, but he knew I needed someone to pray with and I could see it in his eyes. The IFB is the organization hurting His cause. I had a free apartment, food stamps, government phone, and a $60.. utility check every month. I wonder sometimes if the pastor didnt hit one of your sins and instead of getting you under conviction, you just got angry. If you think that any rational thought is dangerous because it may lead you to believe something different than what the IFB believes, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 50. I prefer Kjv! I understand that its hard to convey emotions when typing, but the above list does not have the feel that it was done with a spirit of love but one of condemnation. If you compromise too much with the world, satan gets in and anything can happen thats why the word says to stay vigilant. I forgave and praise the lord in my life forgiveness was indeed profitable. I must put it in Jesus Christ. The Bible is our sole and final authority for faith and practice. 2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. LOL. Duh Get your mind out of the gutter. Womens should not wear pants This is not the case at my congregation. New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. Im still separate I have just decided to sin. If you are really interested in finding out about my poor experiences with the IFB please read the website rather than make assumptions. I like that about them and not just them but the whole church, because the company you keep will influence you. Their testimony is great Im sure they won more people to the lord than you. I dont think its as bad as all this, but thats my 2 cents and maybe Im still on the inside.. Get over it and work to rebuild the relationships instead of tearing down. I forgot to mention my concerns on some of the other beliefs of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Church: WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist Preaching and Bible Study from the Word of God the King James Bible at Vision Valley Baptist Church in MT. If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. 2. 14. 3 So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but dont follow their example. If you believe that you will be rewarded or punished according to whether or not youve tithed faithfully, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 47. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. If you think that singing anything other than hymns in church is too liberal, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 15. (Acts 20:7, Hebrews 10:24-25). We believe that the strict, literal interpretation of the Bible makes us Baptists. If you look down on people who are divorce That is absolutely wrong. I truly believe the IFB pastor and wife was just doing their job. 5. In the past 25 years, Ive seen many children leave but very few come back. 5 Everything they do is for show. [7], The New IFB currently lists 30 affiliated congregations on their website. I can not forgive sins! Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? I dont believe my husband was the only one hurting the relationship. I had a wedding dress from when my boyfriend proposed on December 5, 2010. If you went to a church camp where mixed bathing wasnt allowed and every evening there was a 3 hour sermon, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Smoking, drinking, partying, dancing, listening to secular music or Contemporary music arent sinful though partying can only be sinful if you are drunk. All youve done in your last paragraph is parrot typical IFB talking points no substance there, just regurgitation. His mom, Dorothy Chrisman, was a teacher at the academy run by Fairhaven. Simply not true. (Hello to all my fellow-tithers!!!) That doesnt necessarily mean they arent a dangerous cult. God forgave me because Jesus Christ saved me. We fellowship with sister churches of like precious faith and practice, and support missionaries sent forth by the authority of such churches. Tithing was around since before the Law of Moses. 18 And you say that to swear by the altar is not binding, but to swear by the gifts on the altar is binding. WebWe believe that Jesus gave Christians two ordinances: The Lords Supper and Baptism. The home, the church, and the state are equal and sovereign in their respective Biblically assigned spheres of responsibility under God. Forgiving someone has nothing to do with whether or not you believe that Jesus died for their sins. From my perspective turning people away from the IFB is turning them towards God. Hypocrites! Please read the rest of the website and my story rather than just judge me. We believe the King James Bible to be inerrant. But what He hates about us is the pride and arrogance in us. We just look for a biblical church to go to. Hypocrites! Only thing Ill add to the list is, You might be an IFB if you greet all visitors with huge smiles, handshakes, and extreme cheerfulness. I feel sorry for all the visitors we almost accosted now; no wonder some never came back! (Matthew 28:19-20; Romans 6:4; 1 Corinthians 11:23-32), Every individual, believer and unbeliever, possesses the God-given privilege of free will having the liberty to choose what to believe. It is awful that they put the rules and instructions of their mythology ahead of their love for If you read any other bible besides the Kjv bible you not sining. We believe raising your hands during warship is appropriate, but the Bible specifically says to bow the head 2 Chronicles 20:18. Some true, some not so much. No, Baptist churches are not sinless because they are filled with forgiven sinners. Sin is sin and the Holy Spirit works in us to pinpoint where we need to change and this happens while we are in the word. In the last days, you will get churches like you have described in your initial post, but not all of them are the same. Secular music other than old time gospel hymns is sin I dont see anything wrong with rock & roll, oldies music, and country music though it has gotten worse these days than it was years ago but the music I hate the most are hip hop, heavy metal generally, and especially RAP music which my brother likes. The IFB church I attend preaches cleaning the heart not performing works. More than one earring per ear for women is worldly I dont agree that multiple earrings per ear for women is worldly as long its not fancy. If you believe that perfection is something to strive for and/or attain this side of heaven,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. WebHeartland Baptist Bible College is unique. What is the Baptist Church, and what do Baptists believe? If your church has a tract rack outside the sanctuary, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 22. I do believe the requirements of a bishop and deacon is the husband of one wife.1 Timothy 3:2,12 we dont look down on divorced people. What is a Bible Baptist Church, and what do Bible Baptists believe. But it cannot be pleasant carrying all that bitterness around with you every day. Apart from Him we can do nothing. Im truly sorry for those who were mistreated and sorry if bitterness is hurting you now. Its concept of an ecclesiastical Kingdom is not supported by Scripture. But if people come here to attack me and my views I will defend myself. I dont have to try and understand it, I already know it. Thousands of people, including myself, beg to differ. 5 Hypocrite! Please trust me when I tell you that your IFB church (as most other IFB churches) is preying on you. around the world wherever our Lord directs. For which is more importantthe gift on the altar or the altar that makes the gift sacred? If your pastor refuses to be called Reverend, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. This is an independent fundamental Baptist program that has chapters in churches all across the country. I aint got any place to judge anyone because in all honesty i have messed up in life a lot. We believe that the souls of the redeemed are, at death, absent from the body and present with the Lord, where in conscious bliss they await the first resurrection, when spirit, soul, and body are reunited to be glorified forever with the Lord (Luke 23:43; Revelation 20:4-6; II Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:23, 3:21; I Thessalonians 4:16-17). I forgave through the example of Jesus. If this life of inner peace is what I can have without feeling the need to write long lists then Ill take it. If you are careful to not show any emotion while singing for fear that you could be considered dancing, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 33. If your church funnels in inner city kids via a bus ministry, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 24. God works in mysterious ways. It teaches parents to use their authority to prod, guide, and correct their children. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. I can count on one hand the number of IFBs whove asked for a discussion instead of attacking me. Good point Steve! Many of those things actually do go on at IFB churches, but several of those things are Biblical. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. Being a IFB preacher, I confess a lot of truth here. 27 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. 33 Snakes! I found myself laughing at quite a few of these because they are things that I used to believe. [8], The New IFB website states that it is not a denomination and that New IFB pastors have differing views over minor theological issues. The Pharisees were filled with hypocrisy and iniquity and my church is not. You are falling right in line with what they want someone who will robotically obey them. I sought counciling to see if there was anything in the Bible that could give Hope to our relationship. (Acts 2:42), It is a betrayal of the unity of believers based upon sound doctrine of the historic Christian Faith. If your eyes quickly scan down to see if a fellow female church member is wearing the acceptable skirt, dress or koulotts outside of church, and Heaven forbid shes wearing capris or pants!! If you believe that using guitars in church is too liberal, yet you listen to patch the pirate who uses guitars, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 14. Marriage for two people that want to make a life together is biblical. lm 8:4-9; Colossians 3:9-11). First wash the inside of the cup and the dish,[i] and then the outside will become clean, too. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist network, most prominently associated with anti-LGBTQ pastor Steven Anderson, appears to be in turmoil as infighting again erupts, this time between Anderson and fellow pastors in the network. 26. Do you find them so humorous ? God values his word, even above his own name, and when you or I meet God, what we think means nothing to God, unless it lines up with His Word. (Matthew 22:15-22; 28:19-20;Romans 13:1-7). Independent Baptists (a.k.a. Wow! This Bible is preserved for the English speaking world without error in the King James Version. If you believe that your health issue is the result of sin in your life, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 49. The True Church: The doctrine of a believer's church is a key belief in Baptist life. No government should interfere with the local church's preaching, activities, and ministry. But I still think that every Christian should spend some time in an IFB church. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) Movement WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such endeavors as evangelism. Dress Standards For Christians (Pastor Tim Copyright 2002-2023 Got Questions Ministries. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? [5], New IFB pastors have been the subjects of controversy on numerous occasions. 9. Im mocking IFB beliefs many of which arent scriptural. Back then, you had to wear your Sunday best. Baptists: 10 Important Things to Know About The Church Beliefs